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Mar 02 18:37:28 *	nenolod sets mode +q #audacious kain!*@*
Mar 02 18:37:32 nenolod	anyway
Mar 02 18:37:43 cygwinports	why did you stop using libtool?
Mar 02 18:37:51 nenolod	it sucks.
Mar 02 18:37:57 nenolod	feel free to fork.
Mar 02 18:38:16 kash	rofl
Mar 02 18:38:17 cygwinports	but it's portable
Mar 02 18:38:30 nenolod	good for it.
Mar 02 18:38:38 Aerdan	objmake is more portable.
Mar 02 18:38:51 cygwinports	I was just trying to build audacious for Cygwin
Mar 02 18:38:55 nenolod	well.
Mar 02 18:38:58 Aerdan	we don't support cygwin.
Mar 02 18:39:04 nenolod	you're going to have more problems than just libtool, man
Mar 02 18:39:14 nenolod	you're going to have to write an audio driver too
Mar 02 18:39:14 cygwinports	I've built xmms and bmp-classic for cygwin
Mar 02 18:39:21 nenolod	good for you!
Mar 02 18:39:22 cygwinports	you don't have an oss driver
Mar 02 18:39:23 cygwinports	?
Mar 02 18:39:37 nenolod	we do.
Mar 02 18:39:40 cygwinports	ok that's fine
Mar 02 18:39:50 cygwinports	cygwin includes an oss implementation
Mar 02 18:39:54 Aerdan	good for it
Mar 02 18:40:03 nenolod	we still don't support it
Mar 02 18:40:04 nenolod	;p
Mar 02 18:40:05 Aerdan	last time I tried compiling audacious in cygwin, I got bitched at. :p
Mar 02 18:40:25 cygwinports	by whom?  certainly not me :-)
Mar 02 18:40:28 nenolod	cygwinports: our users complained that libtool was causing problems.
Mar 02 18:40:37 cygwinports	how so??
Mar 02 18:40:39 nenolod	and it... was :)
Mar 02 18:40:43 nenolod	so, we removed it.
Mar 02 18:40:58 cygwinports	nenolod: how was libtool causing problems??
Mar 02 18:41:13 nenolod	cygwinports: strange buildsystem errors
Mar 02 18:41:16 Aerdan	being a shitty, annoying piece of shit. :o
Mar 02 18:41:16 nenolod	cygwinports: it was also slow
Mar 02 18:42:07 cygwinports	nenolod: is a longer compile such a great price to pay for portability?
Mar 02 18:42:15 nenolod	cygwinports: yes
Mar 02 18:42:23 nenolod	cygwinports: especially when a Win32 native version is planned
Mar 02 18:42:38 *	nenolod sets mode -q #audacious kain!*@*
Mar 02 18:42:44 kain	ty pls
Mar 02 18:42:49 kain	nenolod has a small penis
Mar 02 18:43:01 *	nenolod sets mode +q #audacious kain!*@*
Mar 02 18:43:30 *	nenolod sets mode -q #audacious kain!*@*
Mar 02 18:43:56 Aerdan	let's put it this way
Mar 02 18:44:08 Aerdan	libtool is about as portable as my left nut.
Mar 02 18:44:28 nenolod	yeah. libtool isn't all that great for portability
Mar 02 18:44:35 Aerdan	moreover, it's an ugly, unsightly piece of vomitus :\
Mar 02 18:44:35 kash	nein.
Mar 02 18:44:50 nenolod	i mean yes
Mar 02 18:44:54 kain	nenolod
Mar 02 18:44:55 nenolod	it will enable your cygwin builds
Mar 02 18:44:56 nenolod	but see
Mar 02 18:44:59 kain	add dbus support pls
Mar 02 18:45:01 nenolod	we don't /care/ about your cygwin builds
Mar 02 18:45:01 kain	rofl
Mar 02 18:45:06 kain	kidding
Mar 02 18:45:07 kain	but
Mar 02 18:45:09 kain	anyway.
Mar 02 18:45:20 nenolod	kain: i intend on adding support for libmpris if deadchip ever produces it
Mar 02 18:45:20 kash	cygwinports: Here's your options :D
Mar 02 18:45:38 kash	a) reintroduce your own libtool support, fork as Audcygwin.
Mar 02 18:45:50 kash	b) use an older version
Mar 02 18:45:50 nenolod	b) write a patch against objective make / configure to add .dll lib support
Mar 02 18:45:52 Aerdan	kash: stfu
Mar 02 18:45:53 nenolod	;p
Mar 02 18:45:55 kash	c) quit whining?
Mar 02 18:45:57 nenolod	b is best
Mar 02 18:46:08 kain	nenolod
Mar 02 18:46:12 nenolod	if you claim to be so big about portability, then surely you can do b)
Mar 02 18:46:20 kain	i just noticed something about song_change
Mar 02 18:46:23 nenolod	kain: it sucks?
Mar 02 18:46:27 kain	uh
Mar 02 18:46:29 kain	well
Mar 02 18:46:31 kain	theres a bug
Mar 02 18:46:40 nenolod	i'm about 0% surprised
Mar 02 18:46:47 kain	it doesn't update what to do unless you unload and reload it
Mar 02 18:46:54 nenolod	that's not a bug :)
Mar 02 18:46:58 nenolod	that's intentional
Mar 02 18:47:01 kain	why?
Mar 02 18:47:19 nenolod	XMMS behaves that way
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Mar 02 18:48:08 nenolod	cygwinports: so when can we see your patch?
Mar 02 18:48:19 nenolod	we'd love to merge it.
Mar 02 18:48:46 cygwinports	I can almost feel the sarcasm :-(
Mar 02 18:48:55 nenolod	i'm serious
Mar 02 18:49:08 nenolod	help us help you by adding support for dll
Mar 02 18:49:13 nenolod	you just need to edit two files
Mar 02 18:49:40 nenolod	none of us or windows users
Mar 02 18:49:43 nenolod	are
Mar 02 18:50:22 nenolod	well
Mar 02 18:50:24 nenolod	three files
Mar 02 18:50:27 nenolod	no four
Mar 02 18:50:29 nenolod	hmm
Mar 02 18:50:30 cygwinports	I can see that it's a little more complicated then that
Mar 02 18:50:34 cygwinports	trust me :-)
Mar 02 18:50:37 nenolod	four files
Mar 02 18:50:47 nenolod	cause you'd need to add implib kludges
Mar 02 18:51:16 cygwinports	but without automake it's hard to make the necessary conditional make rules
Mar 02 18:51:25 nenolod	no it's not :)
Mar 02 18:51:30 nenolod	think outside the box man!
Mar 02 18:52:08 nenolod	personally, i think cygwin is giving people a crutch to stay on Win32 with
Mar 02 18:52:15 spb	automake makes it easy to do everything
Mar 02 18:52:17 spb	didn't you know that?
Mar 02 18:52:38 spb	not only that, but it's the most intuitive build system around
Mar 02 18:52:40 *	spb nods
Mar 02 18:53:57 nenolod	audacious on windows is just simply a support nightmare at this time
Mar 02 18:53:57 nenolod	;p
Mar 02 18:54:32 kash	cygwinports: just use the older, working versions, or work on the patch.
Mar 02 18:54:51 kash	cygwinports: or install BSD/GNU.
Mar 02 18:55:07 cygwinports	the first solution is obviously undesirable, as future development will be with your new build system
Mar 02 18:55:16 kash	noo? :)
Mar 02 18:55:48 cygwinports	not everyone has a choice on which OS they work; my "job" is to make life on Win32 a lot easier
Mar 02 18:56:35 nenolod	so patch :)
Mar 02 18:56:36 kash	well!
Mar 02 18:56:40 nenolod	i'm sure you've done it before
Mar 02 18:56:56 kash	making it easier would mean that you port reliable nix software to the Win32/64 platform
Mar 02 19:01:15 cygwinports	why did you give up automake as well?
Mar 02 19:02:09 nenolod	can I ask you a question?
Mar 02 19:02:31 nenolod	are you here just to troll or something?
Mar 02 19:02:50 nenolod	because obviously cygwin is not within our usecase
Mar 02 19:03:05 cygwinports	I'm completely serious
Mar 02 19:03:32 nenolod	we were dissatisfied with automake
Mar 02 19:03:42 nenolod	so we made objective make
Mar 02 19:04:56 cygwinports	you *made*? oh, well good luck
Mar 02 19:05:20 nenolod	correct
Mar 02 19:05:35 nenolod	we made and designed objective make around our target userbase
Mar 02 19:06:28 nenolod	cygwinports: why else would i take your questions personally?
Mar 02 19:06:29 nenolod	:P
Mar 02 19:12:39 cygwinports	nenolod: hate to break it to you, but you'll have a really hard time getting this to build on Win32; you were better off with libtool and automake, BION
Mar 02 19:12:53 kash	...?
Mar 02 19:12:55 kash	BION?
Mar 02 19:13:03 kash	bring internet on networks?
Mar 02 19:13:55 nenolod	cygwinports: who says we're going to use the same buildsystem for win32?
Mar 02 19:13:56 nenolod	(:
Mar 02 19:14:21 nenolod	if you've failed to notice, objective make makefiles are nothing more than automake templates with a few additions
Mar 02 19:14:26 kash	cygwinports: if you patch it, it could be done a whole lot less painlessly.
Mar 02 19:14:36 kash	cygwinports: the transition i mean
Mar 02 19:14:53 nenolod	kash: not really
Mar 02 19:15:10 nenolod	cygwinports: on win32, we *will* be using automake and libtool, because it *doesnt* *matter*
Mar 02 19:15:21 Spike_	good god my dsl died again?
Mar 02 19:15:24 *	Spike_ is now known as Spike
Mar 02 19:15:38 nenolod	cygwinports: on linux, we have a much faster alternative
Mar 02 19:18:33 nenolod	but i'm sure you're pasting this to all your friends
Mar 02 19:18:38 nenolod	"hey look at this asshole!"
Mar 02 19:20:17 Spike	on windows, why would people go through the trouble, when they can install winamp and be done with it...
Mar 02 19:20:35 cygwinports	nenolod: so you're planning to maintain two separate build systems?
Mar 02 19:22:29 nenolod	no
Mar 02 19:22:44 nenolod	i'm planning on making a tool to compile an automake makefile from an objective make one
Mar 02 19:23:29 nenolod	but that's going to have to wait until probably April
Mar 02 19:24:18 kain	hey anyone know xchat plugins api pretty good?
Mar 02 19:25:26 nenolod	cygwinports: you see, i have a girlfriend and 9999999 other projects i contribute to
Mar 02 19:25:44 spb	a likely story
Mar 02 19:26:41 Diablo-D3	kain: its pretty simplistic
Mar 02 19:28:44 kain	    gchar *channel = xchat_get_info(ph , channel);
Mar 02 19:28:55 kain	doesn't seem to be fetching right.. maybe i read it wrong
Mar 02 19:31:03 nenolod	cygwinports: additionally, writing the tool would not be very hard
Mar 02 19:33:39 nenolod	cygwinports: i could probably write a basic version tomorrow
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Mar 02 19:47:58 *	athemenet is now known as nenolodsucks
Mar 02 19:49:12 *	nenolodsucks is now known as deadchip
Mar 02 19:56:18 sig	deadchip: erm, how old are you?
Mar 02 19:56:25 deadchip	3
Mar 02 19:56:30 sig	thought so
Mar 02 19:56:35 Diablo-D3	that sounds about right.
Mar 02 19:56:37 sig	well i was thinking 4 but heh
Mar 02 19:56:46 Diablo-D3	man, audacious is so awesome
Mar 02 19:56:50 Diablo-D3	best music player ever
Mar 02 19:56:57 *	deadchip is now known as audacioussucks
Mar 02 19:56:57 Diablo-D3	its like 20x better than bmp
Mar 02 19:56:58 *	audacioussucks 
Mar 02 19:57:01 *	audacioussucks is now known as spb
Mar 02 19:57:44 sig	you know what
Mar 02 19:57:50 sig	i thought that was really him
Mar 02 19:57:56 Diablo-D3	er, its not?
Mar 02 19:58:00 sig	its spb
Mar 02 19:58:04 Diablo-D3	whos spb?
Mar 02 19:58:14 sig	erm gentoo-mips dude ?
Mar 02 19:58:39 Diablo-D3	so hes still a loser.
Mar 02 19:58:40 nemo	obviously nenolod does *not* have a *deadchip* kline :)
Mar 02 19:58:55 sig	no i don't think he does
Mar 02 19:58:58 *	sig checks
Mar 02 19:59:17 spb	i think he resved it shortly after i changed to it
Mar 02 19:59:20 nemo	well, if he had, he'dve disappeared a few minnes ago :)
Mar 02 19:59:37 sig	ah
Mar 02 19:59:38 nemo	ok. my brain is shutting down.
Mar 02 19:59:53 nemo	time for a nap and let my immune system do its job
Mar 02 20:00:10 sig	night night
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